# HR styling broken in last update **URL:** \ **Category:** Help\ **Created:** [April 24, 2018, 6:12am UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676 "2018-04-24T06:12:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![enkimute](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/enkimute/32/500_2.png) [@enkimute](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/enkimute)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 6:12am UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/1 "2018-04-24T06:12:45Z")
Hi guys, Just in case nobody has noticed - \ styling is broken in the last update. Cheers, S. ---
**Author:** ![mbostock](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/mbostock/32/9_2.png) [@mbostock](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/mbostock)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/2 "2018-04-24T13:15:12Z")
This was an intentional change to increase the spacing around horizontal rules. How is it broken for you? ---
**Author:** ![enkimute](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/enkimute/32/500_2.png) [@enkimute](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/enkimute)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/3 "2018-04-24T13:34:17Z")
There’s now an unusable large amount of space before and after them 😉 hehe I guess I’ll have to rework my styling - all good. S. ---
**Author:** ![jrus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/jrus/32/586_2.png) [@jrus](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/jrus)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/4 "2018-04-24T18:54:13Z")
This seems to me like it went way way overboard on the space. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Fil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/fil/32/207_2.png) [@Fil](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/Fil)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/5 "2018-04-25T19:09:16Z")
it’s also quite too large for my taste, especially when I do something like ```auto md`------ _Tech zone_` ``` and it results in a misalignment ![21](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/observablehq/original/1X/c2e3297c9ac8c907ffe51225667c5714eca691f1.png) ---
**Author:** ![mbostock](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/mbostock/32/9_2.png) [@mbostock](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/mbostock)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/6 "2018-05-01T19:43:04Z")
We’ve reduced the padding slightly (from 4em to 3em). If you want the caret \> to line up, try moving the horizontal rule to the preceding cell rather than the following cell. ```auto md`That’s all for now, folks! ---` ``` ```auto md`## Appendix` ``` Which looks like: ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/observablehq/original/1X/99c500fbf4db5b4b6737a670fbb8d00b2f9ee687.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![jrus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/jrus/32/586_2.png) [@jrus](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/jrus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/7 "2018-05-02T00:15:35Z")
What is the reason for the gigantic amount of space? It seems like you expect hr to be used for “start a new unrelated book” instead of “give me a horizontal line”. (Obviously this can be easily worked around by custom css on individual notebooks. So feel free to leave it however you folks prefer. As always, YMMV.) ---
**Author:** ![mbostock](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/mbostock/32/9_2.png) [@mbostock](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/mbostock)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/8 "2018-05-02T00:28:59Z")
It’s for gestalt grouping, so that the content below the horizontal rule feels like its own group (a section), and the content above feels like a separate group, rather than a jumble of content with a rule mixed in. ---
**Author:** ![mbostock](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/mbostock/32/9_2.png) [@mbostock](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/mbostock)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/9 "2018-05-02T00:31:02Z")
Here’s an analogous usage in print (with similar padding?) to indicate a minor break in text: ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/observablehq/original/1X/ab6de744c05cfe74dc0be5c66e0a966fd0f64e81.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![mbostock](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/mbostock/32/9_2.png) [@mbostock](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/mbostock)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/10 "2018-05-06T20:06:11Z")
~\*cough\*~ We reduced the padding a little bit more to match normal paragraph padding. Thanks for your patience and feedback! ---
**Author:** ![jrus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/jrus/32/586_2.png) [@jrus](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/jrus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 3:17am UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/11 "2018-05-07T03:17:36Z")
One last question: Should a visible line for a default-rendered `hr` extend the full width of cells, or stay the width of the text block (`max-width: 640px` or whatever)? I can see an argument either way, and this probably depends on context, but often the latter looks better IMO. ---
**Author:** ![mbostock](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/mbostock/32/9_2.png) [@mbostock](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/mbostock)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/12 "2018-05-07T20:43:48Z")
We considered both; if you allow full-bleed graphics, it feels weird to not have the rule extend the same full width. ---
**Author:** ![Fil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/talk.observablehq.com/fil/32/207_2.png) [@Fil](https://talk.observablehq.com/u/Fil)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://talk.observablehq.com/t/hr-styling-broken-in-last-update/676/13 "2018-07-16T12:40:42Z")
Looks like the rule has now completely disappeared (with `border:none`) ```auto md` ---- ` ``` shows only empty space. 😭